Interviews

**People interviewed **: Lisa McKiney (female Chef) Bill Pappas (male chef and owner) Professore Wiley Davi (professore of gender stereotypes) Tara Sophia Mohr ( life coach for women/ writter)  Lisa McKiney


 * ASO in culinary Johnson and Whales University**
 * Bachelors in teachers UMASS**
 * During JWU got job with the Marriot Corroboration, for Corrpate dinning. Head Chef at 24 yo, souse chef was 52 yo male and used to be head chef constantly made life hard.**
 * Transferred to Framingham still with Marriot, so she could get teaching masters with UMASS. All women 2 men, and many other corporate accounts were the same way, but the men were placed at the top positions. Women held support positions.**
 * Got married and started as a teacher’s AID at Newton north.**
 * When she was hired, she was friends with the man whose jobs she now held. He was started at a step 5 and was paid accordingly. She was told she was going to start at a step 1, but she had more already been here for three years, and gone through the steps of a normal teacher. He did not have his accosted degree, less experience, same age, and because she was a women they offered her less. She called them on it and the next day she received a message in the mail saying that there was an error, and she was now a step 5. She has raised her children to be smart people with a view on cooking and cleaning that differs from many other families.**


 * Lisa McKiney Interview Questions**:

how long have you been in the culinary indusrty? **Since 13 yo now 48 yo**

Do you feel your gender affects your job/ your ability to do your job? How long did it take you to get a job? who cooks the meals in your household? who cooked the meal in your household while you were growing up? How often do you think about your gender while working?
 * Cant lift heavy things, short. But everyone in the kitchen can’t do anything.**
 * No time got while in school**
 * Everyone, she does a good job of spreading the weight in her family. Everyone cooks and cleans. Kids and All. Husband is also a chef and teaches culinary.**
 * She did, because her father died when she was 9, her mother worked full time and the cooking responsibility was left to her.**
 * never**

Do you feel your gender affects the stye of your cooking? Being a man/women do you feel the types of food you eat differ? Why do you think women hold less jobs in the culinary industry? Is it because they are less capable of doing the job? In this day and age where more women are going to college and working that men why are they being paid on average less? Why are women still expected to clean and cook in the household? What makes a good restaurant owner/ business person? Who was your inspiration to become a chef?
 * Yes, fixated on food labels, sugar and fat content. Every careful of what goes into the food, brown rice, whole grains, no artificial sugar.**
 * no**
 * No they just do not have the courage sometimes to ask for what they want and desever**
 * Perception that when a woman has a job, it is to support their spouses. Like a secondary source of income. “To help out”**
 * That is how they are seen, but not in her house. She has her three boy are the cleaners and cookers. Her husband and her work well together and give their family strict guadlines that have set a good base.**
 * Change**

What perpetuates these gender stereotypes in the kitchen and in the world in the futur?
 * Change, but we need generation to change. There will always be people out there, that will undermine women. We need women with strong manner. Other women who work under strong women and change accordingly. “It is Unfortunate, but I think that women have to fight for what they want, and they have to voice very strongly.”**

what does the future look like for equality in gender?

Why the change of jobs.
 * She always wanted to teach culinary.**

Professor Davi Interview Question: What is your job? How long have you help this position? How often do you think about your gender while working? What is the gender of your boss? What qualities make a good boss? When you where growing up who cooked the meals in your house? Who cooks in your house now? Do you agree that today in a stereotypical home, the women stays home and cooks, while the man goes to work? YES: Why does that still occur if so many more women work and go to school? NO: What has changed and what do you feel has caused this change? When looking a restaurant you may see more women in the kitchen that men, but the few men hold the highest positions. This is a trend you see in other areas such as the business world and fashion. Why do you feel this is the case? In this day and age where more women are going to college and working that men why are they being paid on average less? Why are women still expected to clean and cook in the household? Do you think it is because women are less capable? What is keeping women from these positions? Do you think the future will be more or less gender equal? What do you think the major factor will be in changing the future?   Top of Form <span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";"> <span style="border-color: windowtext currentColor currentColor; border-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; display: block; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .75pt; mso-element: para-border-div; padding: 1pt 0in 0in;"> <span style="border: currentColor; line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px 0pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-border-top-alt: solid windowtext .75pt; mso-padding-alt: 1.0pt 0in 0in 0in; padding: 0in; text-align: center;"> <span style="display: none; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Bottom of Form <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Tara Sophia Morh Interview Question: <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">What is your job? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">How long have you help this position? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">How often do you think about your gender while working? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">What is the gender of your boss? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">When you where growing up who cooked the meals in your house? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Who cooks in your house now? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">When/why did you first notice the bias in the food networks Top chef? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">When looking a restaurant you may see more women in the kitchen that men, but the few men hold the highest positions. This is a trend you see in other areas such as the business world and fashion. Why do you feel this is the case? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">In this day and age where more women are going to college and working that men why are they being paid on average less? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Why are women still expected to clean and cook in the household? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Do you think it is because women are less capable? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">What is keeping women from these positions? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Do you think the future will be more or less gender equal? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">What do you think the major factor will be in changing the future? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";"> <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";"> <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Bill pappas interview <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">What is your job? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Ower of a rest <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Didn’t cook but helped male <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">8 years <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Why stop? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Moved <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Bellingham “the colonial house rest) <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">How long have you help this position?  <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">How often do you think about your gender while working?  <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">never  <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">What is the gender of your boss? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">When you where growing up who cooked the meals in your house? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">mother <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Who cooks in your house now? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Carol, she wont let him cook <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Yes he was a good cook, short order chef, very good <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Worked at York Steak house, fast passed, mostly men, and mostly men manger <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">When/why did you first notice the bias in the food networks Top chef? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">When looking a restaurant you may see more women in the kitchen that men, but the few men hold the highest positions. This is a trend you see in other areas such as the business world and fashion. Why do you feel this is the case? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">50 hour work week min <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Ppl who don’t go to college but are able to wrk their way up, hard way up the line <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">PPl who do go to college, it is the way it has been, falling, it’s the way it has been <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">In this day and age where more women are going to college and working that men why are they being paid on average less? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Have babies but they might <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Why are women still expected to clean and cook in the household? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Don’t feel they are <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Do you think it is because women are less capable? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">What is keeping women from these positions? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">Do you think the future will be more or less gender equal? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">What do you think the major factor will be in changing the future? <span style="line-height: normal; margin: 1em 0px; mso-add-space: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">It is already changing, the need for 2 ppl to work to keep a comfy life style <span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">
 * Factually and Chair member **
 * June 2009 **
 * Once or twice a week (while doing service) **
 * male **
 * Experienced and recognized scholar **
 * Mother who was taught by her husband’s mother so the food would be ensured to be similar **
 * Shared between partners **
 * Mother might be expected to do this, but now women are out of the house **
 * History and falling into gender rolls **
 * Undereducated and women are trained to overlook (70 cents to the dollar) **
 * Women from a young are told to be a certain way, from the media and the environment around them (Carol Gilligan) **
 * no **
 * People in the top positions **
 * Hopeful but it is going to take a lot of change **
 * Visibility and making people aware, like children for the next generation. Leaders also need to step up and help others understand the problem at hand **